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hello

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and welcome to the sixth edition of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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here on the point of convergence podcast

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we have been discussing how various

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categories

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of what's often referred to as high

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strangeness

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seem to overlap many of the same people

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who experience

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something like say precognition that is

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knowing something ahead of time

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have also seen a ufo in the sky or have

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sensed mysterious presences

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nearby apparently just beyond perception

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of our visual field remote viewing

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known more commonly as clairvoyance is

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another of these categories

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and like other contact modalities we've

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discussed

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entangled consciousness seems to be at

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the root of the experience

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one aspect that sets remote viewing

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apart from some of these other phenomena

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however is the fact that it has been

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studied tested

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and proven under rigorous laboratory

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conditions while some may dismiss some

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of the

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other categories of high strangeness as

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unverifiable

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from an objective point of view remote

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viewing stands up to that test

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and passes it with flying colors

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now as i mentioned earlier remote

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remote viewing itself is a specific kind

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of demonstrating clairvoyance and

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testing it

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now clairvoyance is a french term which

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combines clair which means clear

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and voyance which means clear vision

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clairvoyance is the claimed ability to

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gain information about an object

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person location or physical event

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any person who is claimed to have such

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an ability is said accordingly to be a

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that is one who sees clearly now the

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more specific

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term remote viewing comes from a system

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developed and run by the united states

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cia and stanford research institute that

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used psychic ability as a means to

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non-local information now remote viewing

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is the practice

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of gathering impressions about unseen

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that is esp or seeing quote unquote with

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and the actual term remote viewing was

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coined in the 1970s by russell targ and

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while working as researchers at sri that

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institute so let's talk a little bit

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about how remote viewing works

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how did russell tarr going to help put

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basically a remote viewer is given a

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which the remote viewer will use to find

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about the target the target can be an

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the target can be located

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because the remote viewer is given

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how these studies were conducted how

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who is a superstar remote viewer who is

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superstars ingo swann who of course is

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one of the most sci capable people the

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said regarding remote viewing the

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biggest enemies

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are memory and imagination now this is

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interesting and it somewhat flies in the

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face of what many people assume to be

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intuitive when you think about this

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which just goes back to what joseph

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it just comes in as straight information

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more subtle and sometimes symbolic

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the skeptics all the cynics going

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come on this sounds ridiculous what does

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that this is a program that ran not for

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that the soviet union was using these

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now you might ask yourself if this

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how did they know that these the

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information produced about these targets

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by the remote viewers was actually

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accurate because remember it's hidden to

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well the way things work in intelligence

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services is you confirm

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through other sources again because

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sometimes lives are on the line

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it's very important that you can trust

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your information and so they would

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have other means of testing these

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sources these results and they would

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there are plenty of people who wanted to

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see this cancelled

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who from the get-go thought it was

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ridiculous almost an embarrassment for

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there were some that objected for

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religious means that

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raises its head in government circles

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more often than you might realize even

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lou elizondo has pointed to that

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what's fascinating about this particular

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project the remote viewing project

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is that the results were tested and

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verified time and time again

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that is why even though many wanted to

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have this program cancelled they

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couldn't it was just too demonstrably

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objectively effective time and time

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again

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so let's talk about one of the successes

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and here

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we'll talk about joseph mcmonagle again

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he had many successes

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was one of the star remote viewers for

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the military

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one time i think the way it goes he was

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approached with certain coordinates

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again he doesn't know anything about the

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coordinates it could be anywhere

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i think the military had some sense that

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these coordinates corresponded to a

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place where something top secret was

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happening

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inside the soviet union but they had no

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access to that

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at that point so joseph began to get a

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sense to practice the protocols

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and he then drew out this strange crane

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looking contraption a really

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large crane again he would actually even

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include perspective

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in the drawings he would make you'd see

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a person standing next to the crane so

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you knew how big the crane was in

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comparison

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this very strange looking contraption

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and honestly

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military intelligence didn't know what

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to do with it because it didn't

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correspond with any known

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hardware on the soviet side much later

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this was actually confirmed as accurate

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intelligence

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and photos were later published of this

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very crane-like contraption

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and it's remarkably similar you can

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actually go online and find

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examples of both mcmonagle's drawings

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and the eventual photographs

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and you'll be shocked and surprised at

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now if you think mcmonagle's a success

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when it came to

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finding targets hidden in deep inside

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the soviet union in the middle of the

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cold war

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that's just the beginning you'll be

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amazed with what we have to share

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later but first let's talk about the

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process

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how does remote viewing actually work

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paul h smith is another

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star remote viewer who worked for

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military intelligence for a long time

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on the same program and he discussed

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uh six different phases that the remote

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viewing

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process goes through through each remote

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viewing experiment

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number one is a more gestalt kind of

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phase this is just

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gathering really general impressions

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okay so imagine that they've been given

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coordinates

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at this first stage all they're doing is

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gathering really general impressions

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gestalt right number two is sensory

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information

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that is sensations textures temperature

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tastes sounds that kind of thing now

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again what's fascinating here

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is that his actual bodily senses are not

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picking up any of this data

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right this is somehow being proc

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processed by his

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brain remotely but that's what stage two

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is about

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sensations textures temperature taste

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sounds

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that kind of thing stage three

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uh comes down to dimensionality

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by that i mean how tall is the target

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wide

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dense hollow and at this point you might

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start sketching aspects

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of the target and it's interesting paul

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smith here has talked about sometimes

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the remote viewers would basically start

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doing a kind of automatic drawing

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at this point you've heard about

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automatic writing i'm guessing

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that's where someone just feels like

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they're channeling some other source

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and they just start writing information

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they don't even understand

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well paul smith says it's similar uh

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with remote viewing especially in this

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early

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stage three here of the process

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sometimes just

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automatic drawing would happen

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unconsciously you make certain movements

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on the page with a pencil

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you're not sure why then comes stage

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four

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this is abstract terminology let's say

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if the target was the eiffel tower for

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instance again

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the the remote viewer doesn't know this

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they don't know it's in france they

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don't know it's a

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tourist attraction they know nothing

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right they just have coordinates

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uh as an example so in this abstract

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terminology phase

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the uh remote viewer might start jotting

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down terms like

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tourism monumental ambiance

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that kind of thing number five

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is whether it would extract embedded

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information this is more uh

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detail things like camera postcards

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that sort of more micro level

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information again this isn't a case

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where it's

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the target was for instance the eiffel

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tower and then finally in stage six

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uh and this uh paul smith recalls close

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encounters of the third kind

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where um you know they're making shapes

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out of

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potato mashed potato this is similar

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here you're making a three-dimensional

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model the remote viewer

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does this uses clay or something like

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that to kind of shape a

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three-dimensional model of what they're

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seeing of the target

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and this hopefully frees up additional

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information information

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because the kinesthetic involvement can

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help to

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trigger additional uh rising of

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now i mentioned we would get back to

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another example of an amazing result

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that joseph

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mcmonagle came up with and this one is

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so astonishing it still blows my mind

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whenever i think about it

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and there's still videos online you can

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find on youtube and other sources

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where mcmonagle is giving a presentation

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that includes photos

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let me set the scene one day he is given

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certain coordinates

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again never knows where on earth that is

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he starts getting impressions and it's

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strange because um

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he starts getting an impression of a

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pyramid-like structure

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you know definitely intelligently formed

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this is not a natural rock structure

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but it was pyramidal in shape and so he

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actually assumed perhaps he was seeing

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something

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in egypt when he thought pyramids right

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what's fascinating is later on

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he finds out that the target is not

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earth at

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what's even more fascinating is that he

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can go

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backwards and forwards in time even on

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that remote target

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on the planet mars because at first he

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sees sort of destruction

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um senses that a lost civilization is

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there that's what he's seeing

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evidence of so they ask him to go back

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in time

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and remote view the same coordinates

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this time he sees

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an earlier stage in the civilization and

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he actually sees

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beings very tall beings at least

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two three times the height of human

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beings today

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and you can actually see in this

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presentation he draws a picture of

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this martian like creature and a human

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being and you can see it's definitely

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two three times the height uh what's

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fascinating is mcmonagle goes on to say

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that these people are waiting hoping

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because

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a uh a team has been sent out to try and

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find a new planet

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because mars has gone through some sort

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of atmospheric desolation

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i think he talks about passing through

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the tail of a comet or something like

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that

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and so the atmosphere has basically been

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stripped from the planet and of course

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what's fascinating about that is

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we have some evidence from elsewhere

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that this is actually what happened to

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mars that at one point

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mars may have been a flourishing green

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planet full of life

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uh and at some point the atmosphere was

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stripped and that's why it's the sort of

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desolate world it is today again what's

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fascinating is from mcmonagle's point of

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view

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this search team that went out looking

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for a new home

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actually found earth that is to say he

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doesn't think there are martians and

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earthlings he thinks

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we are the descendants of those martians

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now before we discuss some of the

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implications of this kind of

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information which again is truly

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astonishing

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to the nth degree let's talk a little

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bit more about joseph mcmonagle

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how does someone develop this kind of

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talent

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well interesting when it comes to our

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whole point of convergence

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aspect first off mcmonagle talks about

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growing up in a really

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sort of poor and kind of dangerous area

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of miami i think it was

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and he realizes later on only looking

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back

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that he kind of out of necessity develop

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these kind of survival skills these

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intuitive survival skills

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on the streets just for his own personal

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safety

548
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again didn't really think anything of it

549
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,080
at the time but he thinks the first

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seeds of his skills

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and this makes sense right even from an

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evolutionary point of view from a

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mainstream science point of view

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this is how these kind of traits are

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developed by necessity it's a survival

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skill

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and the implication of course is that we

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all have

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some of these dormant skills they're

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just latent skills that we haven't used

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very often

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now again speaking of the point of

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convergence speaking about how these

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various

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aspects of high strangeness often occur

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together

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overlap and whatnot what you'll also

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find

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fascinating when you study joseph

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mcmonagle's story

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and i'm currently reading one of his his

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books uh titled mind trek

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he recounts having a near-death

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experience

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when i read it i was like of course this

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makes total sense once again we have

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these overlapping

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categories of high strangeness he has

579
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your sort of typical

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completely mind-blowing uh near-death

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experience where he sees himself as an

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eternal being

583
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realizes everything that was so small

584
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,320
and insignificant about the way he

585
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,640
considered reality beforehand

586
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:39,600
he comes back a very changed man but

587
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:40,559
it's not just that

588
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,000
changed he reports

589
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,919
even being able to read the mind of the

590
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:48,400
nurses in the next room over from the

591
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,149
now of course when he shared this

592
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,120
perspective with the doctors nearby

593
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,760
he was given some strange glances

594
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,520
perhaps they considered brain damage at

595
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,480
that point

596
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,640
so he learned very quickly especially

597
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,159
the military which again is a very

598
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:07,760
conservative organization

599
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,400
traditionally to keep it on the down low

600
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,760
he would not discuss

601
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,400
his near-death experience nor talk about

602
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,480
anything to do with psychic matters

603
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,240
so you can imagine his surprise when

604
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:20,320
later on he was approached to be a part

605
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,200
of this

606
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,679
a project looking into remote viewing

607
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,520
again this project was known by a number

608
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,720
of names

609
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:29,200
sun streak grill flame and perhaps most

610
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,630
now before we move on to discussing some

611
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,080
of the implications of this

612
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,240
and some of the overlap that we notice

613
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,120
between phenomena like remote viewing

614
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,640
and other things like near-death

615
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,600
experiences ufo intelligence contact and

616
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,960
that kind of thing

617
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,960
let's discuss a couple more items

618
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:51,360
regarding this remote viewing program

619
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,799
as it pertains to ufos directly

620
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,200
one time as the story goes pat price who

621
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,120
is yet again another superstar remote

622
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,039
viewer for the program

623
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,159
came to hal put off and said hey

624
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,320
by the way in my free time i was kind of

625
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,480
bored yes this is the true story

626
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,360
so i decided to remote view um whether

627
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,840
or not there could be

628
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,919
alien bases on the earth and apparently

629
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,880
he found

630
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,520
four of them and he dutifully passed

631
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,360
this on to hal put off

632
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,679
and again as part of their arrangement

633
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:25,280
their contract with the military this

634
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,080
information was

635
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,480
passed on to the military and apparently

636
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,760
i don't know the full story but there

637
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,600
were some interesting overlaps

638
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,280
with some other intelligence when it

639
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,840
comes to uh the data passed on

640
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,559
from this uh from pat price's uh

641
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,240
off-time experiments

642
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,559
and of course ingo swann uh who was also

643
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,000
involved in this program

644
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,200
on his own talked about um moon bases

645
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,919
actually uh involving alien intelligence

646
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,720
again

647
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,480
many people scoffed at this to be honest

648
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,000
even i was highly

649
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,520
suspicious of this when i first heard

650
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,840
about it but apparently there have been

651
00:23:03,830 --> 00:22:58,799
some

652
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:03,840
organizations that suggest

653
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,840
some anomalies noticed on the moon could

654
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,000
conceivably

655
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,120
reference or be data related to

656
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,760
a moon base of some sort of other

657
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,919
intelligence

658
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,640
but make of that what you will what i'm

659
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,520
interested in

660
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:22,159
is the implications of this this notion

661
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:22,559
that

662
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:26,320
all information across time and space

663
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,440
is always available and that we as human

664
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,600
beings have some sort of latent

665
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,240
innate capacity to access this

666
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,360
information

667
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,320
again this is astonishing why is this

668
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,360
not headline news

669
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,360
again that comes down to a lot of bias

670
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,039
prejudice in

671
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:44,559
mainstream science in the mainstream

672
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,840
media nevertheless it is an astonishing

673
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,240
result

674
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:53,200
now again the implication here is that

675
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:53,520
all

676
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:59,200
always available always has been always

677
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,159
will be

678
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:03,279
and even those terms has will are to

679
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,080
some degree

680
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:07,120
um byproducts of our language and the

681
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,240
limitations of it

682
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,799
because again the the implications of

683
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,240
all of these things we've been talking

684
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,960
about

685
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,640
is that even the way that we walk

686
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,880
through time in a linear fashion

687
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,799
uh that it's sort of a shared delusion

688
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,200
that all humanity has right now

689
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:23,760
but that's ultimately an illusion that

690
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,240
this

691
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:25,919
whether you want to call it the akashic

692
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,360
records or some sort of cosmic database

693
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:32,159
it contains information regarding past

694
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,120
present future

695
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,480
according to the way we would see it

696
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,039
anyway from every event

697
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:39,760
has ever existed from any sentient being

698
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,990
and again when you think about people's

699
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,080
contact with non-human intelligence with

700
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,760
the others

701
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,400
these others seem to be accessing these

702
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,840
same skills but just to a much

703
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,120
heightened degree

704
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:57,120
so sometimes when people are taking on

705
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,640
board of craft

706
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,320
they're shown something like a life

707
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,840
review that you have in a near-death

708
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,799
experience

709
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,400
where every event you've ever

710
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,159
experienced is somehow uh

711
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,840
available to you now and available to

712
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,320
them even more interestingly whether

713
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,159
it's a near-death experience or even

714
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,840
sometimes a life review on one of these

715
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,080
alien craft

716
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,159
people will also be able to experience

717
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,840
how they made others feel

718
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,240
every interaction they ever had they can

719
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,000
remember not only how they felt and what

720
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,440
their actions were

721
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,679
but how the others were affected by

722
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:28,880
their actions

723
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,870
so regarding the fascinating

724
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:37,120
implications we've discussed on today's

725
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,080
episode

726
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,000
does this lead us

727
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,400
again it tells us something fundamental

728
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,000
about reality

729
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:47,919
it tells us something about the paradigm

730
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,200
we have now is fundamentally wrong

731
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,440
insufficient perhaps even headed in the

732
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,120
completely wrong direction

733
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,640
because of course again for the

734
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,480
mainstream establishment

735
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
scientific materialism rules the idea

736
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,880
that matter and energy

737
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:05,120
are primary and something like

738
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,000
consciousness

739
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,279
is an artifact of those things what the

740
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,200
implications we've discussed today

741
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,520
uh suggest is that consciousness is

742
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,720
actually the bedrock

743
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,360
of reality from which everything else

744
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,230
now let's bring it back to the title of

745
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,520
this episode

746
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:26,320
consciously connected now this has a

747
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,120
double meaning

748
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,919
from my point of view on the one hand

749
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,520
all of what we've been discussing in

750
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,120
this episode

751
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:35,360
points to consciousness as the common

752
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,320
link

753
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,480
it is the substrate that gives rise to

754
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,000
everything else

755
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,919
we are consciously connected one to

756
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,360
another human to human

757
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,760
human to non-human whether we like it or

758
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,480
not whether we realize it or not

759
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,559
and in some sense our journey is in

760
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,720
returning to that place of oneness

761
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:55,120
a kind of big bang of consciousness if

762
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,080
you will

763
00:27:00,750 --> 00:26:59,039
where everything everyone everywhere

764
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,760
becomes cognizant of the

765
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,159
interconnectedness of

766
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,960
all that is realizing that to harm the

767
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,360
one

768
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:07,679
is to harm the all and to benefit the

769
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,750
and that brings us to a close of this

770
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,600
edition of the point of convergence

771
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,880
podcast

772
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,720
i hope you've enjoyed what you've heard

773
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,000
i hope you've been challenged

774
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,840
by what you've heard in terms of how

775
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,120
you'll live your life

776
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,159
i know i have been and as always i hope

777
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,840
you'll tune in again next week as we

778
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
continue this fascinating journey

779
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,880
until then from deep in the blue ridge